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Post by oublie on Apr 23, 2009 6:10:19 GMT -7
Hi Folks, Long time lurker first time poster. I may finally be moving house  If everthing goes according to plan i will finally have the large garage for all my toys and can finally build a dedicated home cinema room with an IB. I've read a lot researched a lot and calculated a lot but now i'm actually looking to price some subs. I'm in the uk and was wondering what uk or european subs would be available that would suit. I've looked at Elemental designs 18" subs which seem ok or is there a european supplier of FI subs. Thanks for any advice you can give folks. |
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Post by ThomasW on Apr 23, 2009 6:54:09 GMT -7
Fi doesn't ship internationally.
DIY cable has a European dealer.
AE speakers has a European dealer, and John J has in the past routinely shipped from the US to Europe
Since dealers are sometime a fluid entity, contact the company in the US to find out who's currently handling their drivers in Europe
Cult member Jason Shepherd (aka jasonshep) lives in Maidstone, Kent, England. He has has an 8 AE 15" IB. You might contact him
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Post by oublie on Apr 23, 2009 8:33:31 GMT -7
thanks thomas Don't you ever sleep? |
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Post by ThomasW on Apr 23, 2009 17:21:04 GMT -7
I'm in Colorado, so there's a pretty significant time difference between here and the UK .....  |
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Post by chrisbee on Apr 24, 2009 1:43:05 GMT -7
oublie I wish I could point you at a range of UK IB driver dealers but it's not that simple. Since a number of UK/Euro residents will probably be wondering about IB drivers I will relate what I know. Steaming Audio of Sweden sell the 15" Tempest X. Nice driver with excellent Xmax. In a small room you might get away with only two. They obviously speak English but I have had no dealings with them so cannot comment on their service. At least there would be no VAT to pay because Sweden is in the EU. Freight charges might be quite expensive due to the weight of big drivers. They list their prices in Euro. Conversion websites are readily available online to work out what it will cost you all together in UK dead squid. The Euro is presently almost on a par with the UK dead squid for a rough calculation. So 4 x Tempest X 15" = ~£800 plus freight. Ouch? The upside: A four x 15" IB will completely trash any subwoofer you can probably afford and wont be visible in the room. Add the price of an EP2500 power amp and you won't ever stop grinning. MCAudio (Marshall Choong?) of London sell the Acoustic Elegance drivers. They do not list the AEIB 15 on their website. I bought my original 4 x AEIB15s via MCAudio and would never have any further dealings with them. A very negative experience in every imaginable way. If you live nearby and can examine the product carefully, pay and then take them away, then fine. Dealing direct with AE in the US is probably a better bet but I understand AE is presently out of stock of 15" baskets and may not have any until May! AE may not tell you this when you place your order! Be very aware that John at AE is not a reliable communicator! His products are excellent but let down too often by his poor customer relation habits. I have been contacted by a couple of Cult members who have also had communication problems with AE after placing an order. Doing business doesn't have to be like this! Fi Caraudio drivers are available in Europe but I cannot remember whether those who bought them ordered direct. Search AV forums for 18" IB threads for more information. Cerwin Vega Vmax 15 subwoofer drivers are occasionally very affordable (~£100) on special offer from a car spares discount chain in Denmark. (THansens) It seems they are having a clearance sale on them at ~£90.  Generally speaking buying from the US is usually straightforward enough. You may have to collect from your nearest airport unless you pay extra up front for door to door service. You will have to pay VAT on top of the US price plus freight charges plus customs charges plus any additional paperwork customs clearance charges. There is no legal way to avoid this. The dollar has risen from its very affordable 2:1 to rather expensive for UK (dead squid) purchasers. So: You pays your money and takes your choice. |
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Post by ThomasW on Apr 24, 2009 7:25:18 GMT -7
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Post by oublie on Apr 24, 2009 8:11:13 GMT -7
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Post by ThomasW on Apr 24, 2009 9:08:05 GMT -7
Very dated design. Technology from the mid 1990's. Not recommended anymore given what's available from other suppliers |
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Post by oublie on Apr 24, 2009 9:18:45 GMT -7
Looks like ae is the way to go over here without spending a fortune on delivery. thanks guys if all goes acording to plan ill report back. (lurking mode on) |
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Post by wingman on Jun 28, 2009 5:21:32 GMT -7
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Post by ThomasW on Jun 28, 2009 7:02:17 GMT -7
How about JBL GTO1514, they are esay to find and often cheap on ebay.co.uk. sweep 1,2L of air oneway Sure they'll work. Whether or not they're a good choice depends on how many of them are needed for a particular situation. |
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Post by wingman on Jun 28, 2009 10:51:55 GMT -7
How about JBL GTO1514, they are esay to find and often cheap on ebay.co.uk. sweep 1,2L of air oneway Sure they'll work. Whether or not they're a good choice depends on how many of them are needed for a particular situation. I hoped so, caus I got 8 on the way from UK to DK ;D One more IB will be born in to this bass hungry mad world   |
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Post by chrisbee on Jun 28, 2009 11:02:57 GMT -7
How about JBL GTO1514, they are esay to find and often cheap on ebay.co.uk. sweep 1,2L of air oneway Sure they'll work. Whether or not they're a good choice depends on how many of them are needed for a particular situation. Displacement is low at 2.4 litres. (Sd x Xmax x 2) Minimum safe IB displacement for average installations is usually up around 12 litres + . (four AEIB15 or 2 x Fi IB18) So four are arguably too few for serious film watching. Six are hard to drive sensibly because you can't wire 6 drivers in series-parallel. So they'd have to be very cheap indeed for 8 drivers to make real economic sense. |
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Post by chrisbee on Jun 28, 2009 11:19:41 GMT -7
Sure they'll work. Whether or not they're a good choice depends on how many of them are needed for a particular situation. I hoped so, caus I got 8 on the way from UK to DK ;D One more IB will be born in to this bass hungry mad world Eight makes good sense if they were affordable!  (AE seems to have moved the delivery date for their 15" drivers forward to mid July according to rumours) Another IB builder in Denmark? Didn't you see the THansens deal on the CV 15" drivers at 900DKK? With 20 litres of displacement you ought to be rurally detached! If you aren't now you will be soon! ;D |
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Post by wingman on Jun 28, 2009 12:34:55 GMT -7
I hoped so, caus I got 8 on the way from UK to DK ;D One more IB will be born in to this bass hungry mad world Eight makes good sense if they were affordable! (AE seems to have moved the delivery date for their 15" drivers forward to mid July according to rumours) Another IB builder in Denmark? Didn't you see the THansens deal on the CV 15" drivers at 900DKK? With 20 litres of displacement you ought to be rurally detached! If you aren't now you will be soon! ;D Yes another IB builder in Denmark First one for my self, build 2 IB's before, each with 8x12 " (P audio cheap ones). I saw the Thansens deal on the Vmax 15", but time and cash where needed other where. paid 560£ (560 UK£ = 4 896.48241 Danish kroner) so cheaper still then the Vmax 15", If needed add more drivers caus i saved almost 300dkk a pice. Price/L Vmax 15: 900 / (((830 * 1,7 * 2 * 8) / 8) / 1 000) = 318,92dkk 318,92 Danish kroner = 60,291826 US$ Price/L GTO1514: 613 / (((830 * 1,45 * 2 * 8) / 8) / 1 000) = 254,67dkk 254,67 Danish kroner = 48,1453635 US$ alot of numbers |
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Post by chrisbee on Jun 28, 2009 13:04:07 GMT -7
Yes another IB builder in Denmark First one for my self build 2 IB's for other (2x12" cheap ones). I saw the Thansens deal on the Vmax 15", but time and cash where needed other where. paid 560£ (560 UK£ = 4 896.48241 Danish kroner) so cheaper still then the Vmax 15", If needed add more drivers caus i saved almost 300dkk a pice. That's an amazing price! Well done! Please keep us informed of your build progress. With the difficulty in obtaining useful IB drivers in Europe we need to know how these drivers perform in a real life IB. I'm sure there are others over here wondering how to get hold of affordable IB drivers. |
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Post by wingman on Jun 29, 2009 2:32:28 GMT -7
Yes another IB builder in Denmark First one for my self build 2 IB's for other (2x12" cheap ones). I saw the Thansens deal on the Vmax 15", but time and cash where needed other where. paid 560£ (560 UK£ = 4 896.48241 Danish kroner) so cheaper still then the Vmax 15", If needed add more drivers caus i saved almost 300dkk a pice. That's an amazing price! Well done! Please keep us informed of your build progress. With the difficulty in obtaining useful IB drivers in Europe we need to know how these drivers perform in a real life IB. I'm sure there are others over here wondering how to get hold of affordable IB drivers. Sure, will do ! The build is will begin next week, and what i left for me to do is find a good amp. Looking at the Berhinger EP4000 at moment |
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Post by ThomasW on Jun 29, 2009 10:08:34 GMT -7
Looking at the Berhinger EP4000 at moment The primary difference between one of those and the EP2500 is the size of the transformer.. Makes it a moot point for home use unless the 4000 is cheaper |
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Post by back on Jul 18, 2009 22:52:46 GMT -7
hi wingman.
can you point me where did you find the jbl`s at this price?
i am intersted.
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Post by back on Jul 18, 2009 22:58:31 GMT -7
Sure they'll work. Whether or not they're a good choice depends on how many of them are needed for a particular situation. Displacement is low at 2.4 litres. (Sd x Xmax x 2) Minimum safe IB displacement for average installations is usually up around 12 litres + . (four AEIB15 or 2 x Fi IB18) So four are arguably too few for serious film watching. Six are hard to drive sensibly because you can't wire 6 drivers in series-parallel. So they'd have to be very cheap indeed for 8 drivers to make real economic sense. hi chrisbee. what kind of spl are you talking about? my room is 40 square meter and the listening seat will be 6 meter from subs but close to the wall so there will be boost of that. would i get 110-113db with 4 of these? |
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