moro
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Post by moro on Oct 25, 2006 10:38:23 GMT -7
One of my uncles has decided he wants a dedicated HT. He is spending about $45,000 on it. /dream. I have experiance in audio and some in video so he asked me to handle the details. However he set some base rules that..., well I am none to happy with. For one he only wanted to spend $1,000 on the entire audio system equipment. After much discusion he finally moved up to 2,500. He's not really happy about that and thinks hes spending to much on the audio. Anyway on to the IB questions.
The room is about 25 long by 13.5 wide by 8.5 tall. I am a little worried about the width and length beeing so close to a 2x multiple. That puts the first double resonance around 80-95hz I think depending on structural variables. Right in the THX X-over range.
With only 2500 for reciever, speakers, sub-system, I think I can budget around 400-450 for a sub system max. Can I do a decent IB for this? Off the top of my head I am thinking 2 15 Dayton drivers (couple modles would work)and either a behringer A500 or possibly a ep1500. As much as I see the need for EQ I don't have the money to budget one in. At this price I wonder if it would be better to go with a single large enclosure low tuned ported 15" driver.
If your wondering the 45K pricetag about 35K+ is going into decorations and furniture. He originally wanted all the AV equipment to be under 5k. I did my best and came up with about 8-10K for AV.
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Post by jagman on Oct 25, 2006 11:13:10 GMT -7
Does he realise that once the movie starts the lights dim and all he perceives is what's on the screen and what comes into his ears? $400-500 won't get much of anything in terns if a sub, and the subwoofer is probably the second most important thing in the whole A/V set up in most home theaters (behind the projection device). It's great to have a great looking home theater, but if it doesn't play movies all that well, then it doesn't serve much of a purpose.
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Post by ThomasW on Oct 25, 2006 11:19:37 GMT -7
I think I can budget around 400-450 for a sub system max. Can I do a decent IB for this? Off the top of my head I am thinking 2 15 Dayton drivers (couple modles would work)and either a behringer A500 or possibly a ep1500. As much as I see the need for EQ I don't have the money to budget one in. At this price I wonder if it would be better to go with a single large enclosure low tuned ported 15" driver. You're correct, if that's the budget you're better off going with box sub. And even then you'd be bottom feeding with $400-$450. You could get one SS RL-p15" and the PE 500 watt BASH amp for ~$500 delivered |
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moro
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Post by moro on Oct 25, 2006 13:28:30 GMT -7
Thanks, Thomas thats about what I thought.
I agree whole heartedly jagman. Canna sway his opinion. I am tempted to refuse to do it. If I do though I have a strong hunch his interior decorator will take over duties for the AV part... Hello best buy HTiB Blose... actually she'd probly refuse even that and insist on going with a flat pannel tv with built in "surround technology" speakers. /sigh
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Post by Darren on Oct 25, 2006 13:34:23 GMT -7
Thanks, Thomas thats about what I thought. I agree whole heartedly jagman. Canna sway his opinion. I am tempted to refuse to do it. If I do though I have a strong hunch his interior decorator will take over duties for the AV part... Hello best buy HTiB Blose... actually she'd probly refuse even that and insist on going with a flat pannel tv with built in "surround technology" speakers. /sigh I'm thinking I'd refuse to do it. I'd spend no less than $5k on audio, that's taking into account DIY speakers and subwoofer. You could probably get away with $3,500 with some compromises. Evidently he doesn't know the first thing about home theater... I'd try to educate him if he is receptive, if not I'd say no dice. I think you are right that a total AV budget should be $10k for a decent setup assuming he wants a nice plasma or rear projection etc... If he wants a good front projector then add more $$ unlesss he's ok with one of the lower end models. If you refuse to do it and he wonders why your system sounds so much better than his just explain why  |
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Post by jagman on Oct 25, 2006 15:10:18 GMT -7
Darren hit the nail on the head. It sounds like that woman needs to be put in her place. If not, stay in your place and enjoy your own setup. He'll come by and wonder why he didn't listen to you in the first place. Sometimes people need to learn the hard way  . |
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Post by thudd on Oct 26, 2006 21:33:36 GMT -7
Ask him that if he went out and bought a new luxury car would he then go and put an old Silver (remember them?) tape deck in it? If he doesn't get the analogy, then, well, I'd be thinking about distancing yourself from it because you know who'll be getting the blame if he doesn't like the end result.
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Post by moro on Oct 28, 2006 11:02:15 GMT -7
Let him listen to a 8" off 40ish watts, a 10" inch off of 80 watts and a 15" off 400 watts.
After we talked about it, we are looking at a Behriner ep2500, BFD, and 2 Ficaraduio Q .18's if I can still get them with slightly modified specs. I think he will be pleased. May go with the ever popular soundsplinter 15's though.
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Post by jagman on Oct 28, 2006 11:40:49 GMT -7
That is a great start... and I bet he'll ultimately get two more of the 18's. Not because he needs to, but because he wants to. The easiest thing to do would be to do what is commonly said here... build a manifold for 4 drivers, install the two 18" drivers and plug the other two holes. If he wants more bass, then all you have to do is buy two more drivers. The EP2500 can easily drive 2 or 4 speakers, so it literally will be as simple as just purchasing 2 more. If he's happy with just 2, more power to him.
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Post by joeyskinner on Oct 28, 2006 18:26:08 GMT -7
The Cult needs to do an intervention on your uncle. He's got to hear what good bass (and audio) does for the movie experience. Is there any way you could have him audition a good sound system compared to what he will get with his audio budget? Are the speakers going to be DIY? You could save enough that way to have more left over for the sub. I almost wished I hadn't read this thread; I'm imagining what I could do with 45k  ! I would rather sit on a folding chair with a good sound system than have expensive furniture and decorations with a bad system. For 45K your uncle should be able to have both. |
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Post by moro on Nov 2, 2006 19:51:18 GMT -7
O I agree. I wouldn't spend $1 on purely cosmetic items. Though, I am sure all of you know 99%+ of consumers buy audio gear SOLEY based on its looks (well maybe over hyped marketing names as well). Why should they be any different setting up a HT?
I'm just glad I talked him out of his first plan of buying a Blose acustacr@p surround system as his audio setup in a $45K home theator.
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