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Post by jagman on Nov 4, 2007 0:40:01 GMT -7
It sounds to me like John is a decent guy who's had a run of hard luck, makes good subs, but lacks any kind of business sense. It's too bad, but that kind of situation rarely makes it in a capitalistic economy.
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Post by chrisbee on Nov 4, 2007 1:56:44 GMT -7
jagman
I wonder.
John promised me some free replacement drivers to replace my four, totally non-spec AEIB15s.
Fs = 32Hz instead of the 16Hz promised in his specs.
The free speakers he was offering were also non-spec. John freely admitted they were impossible to sell. He had been supplied with yet more non-spec parts by another company. This time erring on the floppy side instead of the very stiff.
I was willing to overlook the non-standard specs since they offered a much better chance of decent VLF without the massive BFD boost I presently have to use.. +16dB @ 20Hz!
As John was in a difficult re-start-up situation I thought I'd be generous and offer to pay for the freight charges to get four of these unsaleable, non-spec drivers over to Europe.
We had an exchange of emails to the point where it had been agreed to use Bax for door to door delivery.
I emailed John to ask if he accepted Paypal.
I have heard no more. Not a word.
I could have pressed for four new AEIB15 replacement drivers to standard 16Hz specification.
But I didn't.
I could also have expected him to pay the freight charges in compensation for my accepting two lots of non-spec drivers.
But I didn't.
I could have made life hell for him on his own forum.
But I didn't.
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Post by ThomasW on Nov 4, 2007 11:23:38 GMT -7
jagman I wonder. John promised me some free replacement drivers to replace my four, totally non-spec AEIB15s. Fs = 32Hz instead of the 16Hz promised in his specs. It's a relatively trivial undertaking to lower the Fs of a large driver like the AE-IB 15. Manufacturers add mass to the cone and hide that mass under the dust cap. After the fact adding of mass means a bead of material at the dust-cap cone junction or on the backside of the cone. One would think that lowering the Fs would have a major impact on the amount of EQ needed. My experience is that the effects of lowering the Fs are minimal, since low frequency output is primarily a function of room gain (or lack there of....) As an experiment one could put a bead of 'rope caulk' or similar removable material at the dust-cap cone junction, then listen to it's effects.. Use a scale to make sure the amount of material added to each cone is the same. |
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Post by chrisbee on Nov 4, 2007 14:14:40 GMT -7
Thankyou, Thomas. You never give up on me, do you?  I haven't come across rope caulk. There may be a geographical limitation but I shall certainly investigate locally. You have mentioned cone mass loading before but I have previously been loath to apply anything to the cones. I was always afraid of marking them permanently or finding it was difficult to remove a substance. (making it impossible to sell them again) It seems my hopes of adding four more AE IB15 drivers to my IB have evaporated. From what you say I would imagine that doubling the number of drivers will improve the infrasonics far more than mass loading. The new Fi IB15s and 18s look both interesting and remarkably affordable as a possible upgrade path from my non-spec AEs. |
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Post by ThomasW on Nov 4, 2007 14:52:49 GMT -7
Rope caulk (aka Mortite) is what it's called, but the name has nothing to do with ropes of any kind.
It's just a pre-extruded flexible caulking material. Peel off a section and press it in place. It would take a decade or more for it to dry out, so for testing the effects of added mass it's the perfect material.
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Post by chrisbee on Nov 4, 2007 15:06:22 GMT -7
Thanks, Thomas.
I did a search and found it looks exactly like Plasticine modelling clay. (which does dry out!)
I'll have to look around the builder's merchants for the proper rope caulk so I can experiment using REW.
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Post by aespeakers on Nov 9, 2007 14:01:42 GMT -7
jagman I wonder. John promised me some free replacement drivers to replace my four, totally non-spec AEIB15s. Fs = 32Hz instead of the 16Hz promised in his specs. The free speakers he was offering were also non-spec. John freely admitted they were impossible to sell. He had been supplied with yet more non-spec parts by another company. This time erring on the floppy side instead of the very stiff. I was willing to overlook the non-standard specs since they offered a much better chance of decent VLF without the massive BFD boost I presently have to use.. +16dB @ 20Hz! As John was in a difficult re-start-up situation I thought I'd be generous and offer to pay for the freight charges to get four of these unsaleable, non-spec drivers over to Europe. We had an exchange of emails to the point where it had been agreed to use Bax for door to door delivery. I emailed John to ask if he accepted Paypal. I have heard no more. Not a word. I could have pressed for four new AEIB15 replacement drivers to standard 16Hz specification. But I didn't. I could also have expected him to pay the freight charges in compensation for my accepting two lots of non-spec drivers. But I didn't. I could have made life hell for him on his own forum. But I didn't. Hi Chris, I see again that I need to check on things. I was waiting on you. The last email I sent to you was on 9/14/07. I had exchanged 12 emails with you from 8/22/07 through 9/14/07. You know I had spent much time on the phone with BAX trying to arrange the shipment as you live on the middle island and they want to bring it to the airport on the left island. I forgot the name now. I had given the number to you for Schenker and was waiting to hear back from you to verify what you wanted to do. I had not heard back from you since then. anyway, I just resent the email to you but will post here just to make sure it gets to you. Hi Chris,
So you want to go ahead and do this then? The shipping was $120 I believe. You had mentioned you wanted to pay something to cover costs. If you'd like to pay the shipping I will take care of the drivers as I said before. Let me know and I'll get them coming.
John
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On 9/7/2007 at 10:44 AM Chris.B wrote:
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>I have spoken to Schenker on the number you gave me.
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>Schenker have bought Bax but not yet updated the Bax website.
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>They will receive and hold the driver package(s) at Billund airport.
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>Then arrange for me to pay the import taxes at my local tax office.
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>Once that has been done Schenker will deliver the drivers to my home.
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>A low value on the drivers will help reduce the 25% import tax.
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>Regards
>ChrisI have 4 drivers here with labels on them with your address waiting to find out what to do. They actually aren't the ones with softer suspension as people grabbed those up quickly. They are 4 new, perfectly good IB15's with your name ready to go out. I had given you the quote for BAX door to airport and you informed me they would hold the drivers in Billund and then Schenker would arrange the rest after import was paid. I am sorry if you claim to have sent another email but I did not receive it. After 12 emails back and forth over a couple weeks, why would I just stop talking to you when I obviously wanted to resolve the situation? I'd like to take care of this though so we can put this in the past. If you want these new drivers, then lets get them going. If not, send me your paypal address and I will refund your original payment. However you want to resolve it. Also Thomas, I'd like to apologize for this being on the forum. I have made honest mistakes in the past and have tried to do everything possible to make up them. I have made attempts to reconcile this issue and do not want an issue of a possible missed email to get in the way of following through with it. I had setup a customer service section on my forum some time ago and have that as another means of contact. I'm sorry this has to occur on your forum. john |
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Post by aespeakers on Nov 9, 2007 14:36:19 GMT -7
Oh, and i forgot, yes we do have ability to do paypal, sales -at- aespeakers.com Don't want to post the actual email here or the spammers will be filling the inbox.
John
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Post by aespeakers on Nov 9, 2007 14:40:14 GMT -7
It sounds to me like John is a decent guy who's had a run of hard luck, makes good subs, but lacks any kind of business sense. It's too bad, but that kind of situation rarely makes it in a capitalistic economy. I'll admit I am not the best at running a business, but have learned a lot and got some people to take care of what i do not know. It was just for so long that I really lacked any desire to get out of bed in the morning. If it wasn't for the people at my church who really became my family and took me in while everything was going on, I don't know where I'd be right now. John |
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Post by chrisbee on Nov 10, 2007 1:55:24 GMT -7
John
$120 just sent by Paypal to sales at aespeakers.com
Looking forward to receipt of 4 x AEIB15s.
Many thanks.
Chris
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Post by norpus on Nov 10, 2007 4:54:17 GMT -7
Hope it turns out well for both parties
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Post by aespeakers on Nov 10, 2007 20:26:52 GMT -7
John $120 just sent by Paypal to sales at aespeakers.com Looking forward to receipt of 4 x AEIB15s. Many thanks. Chris Sounds good Chris. I'll get these shipped out on monday for you.  John |
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Post by jasonshep on Nov 11, 2007 4:25:33 GMT -7
Hi John, would you be willing to send 4 ib15's to the uk ?
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Post by aespeakers on Nov 11, 2007 22:15:53 GMT -7
Hi John, would you be willing to send 4 ib15's to the uk ? Hi Jason, I responded to your post on the forum. Just send an email and I can get you a quote from BAX. Unfortunately the USPS no longer has a surface option. Actually on second though I'm not sure if it's so unfortunate they don't do it anymore because we had a lot of woofers disappear over the years that way and there was no way to track it or file claim. I guess postal workers like bass too.  John |
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Post by jasonshep on Nov 11, 2007 23:49:18 GMT -7
thanks John thats excellent,i'll be in touch  |
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Post by aespeakers on Nov 16, 2007 0:12:55 GMT -7
Just a quick note from Acoustic Elegance that we had to switch to a new webhost this week. We could no longer deal with 3-4 email outages per day. Our new host gives us much more room, transfer per month, features, has better servers, etc etc. We will however be experiencing a short period where our forum may not work for some people. Nameservers have been updated and the changes reflected quite quickly here. It can however take up to 48 hours though for the change to go through depending on when your DNS Servers update. We will have some new info going up on the website right away with other info soon to follow. Our full website with the completed noew look and lots of info should be active before the end of november.
I'm excited to finally be moving forward on the website, although I think i'm going to have nightmares about style sheets for a very long time now. haha
John
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Post by eeyore on Feb 26, 2008 21:38:35 GMT -7
Would 4 of the new AE IB15's play well with 4 of the older models or have they changed too much?
Mine are 3-4 years old.
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Post by chrisbee on Feb 27, 2008 0:56:25 GMT -7
I was planning to run my old drivers with the new but keeping them completely separate on each channel of the EP2500 in their own manifolds. This way I can also equalise them separately with the BFD. The new drivers certainly have a lot more bottom end straight out of the box. They also seem quite a bit louder because there are few losses in the BFD.
An alternative would be to sell the old drivers to car audio fans and invest in all new IB15s. The low price per set of four makes them incredible value. carvernut's description of his eight IB15s sounds like a lot of fun. Four should enough for anybody but having that much extra headroom would be nice for the more extreme film DVDs.
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Post by carvernut on Feb 27, 2008 16:15:47 GMT -7
carvernut's description of his eight IB15s sounds like a lot of fun. bwuahahha ;D did i mention i'm toying with the idea of adding another manifold, total of 16? just a little idea i'm considering with my tax return in the mail ;D ;D |
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Post by chrisbee on Feb 28, 2008 0:07:05 GMT -7
Now that's just plain naughty! Have you always been this competitive?  |
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